Two completely different excerpts...
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spotto...two completely different genders.
Well first, let's clarify. I'm a girl.
It only makes sense then, if this tool indeed works, that it will analyze my writing and deem me female, like so:
A paragraph from Red, Negima story...
Of course, compare to my other fanfiction...
Yeah, so. Not exactly the most accurate thing in the world.
I think the problem is it identifies the pronoun "she" as something girls use much more often, which kind of makes sense I guess. Negima is a female-dominated franchise, or pink shoujo ghetto for terms' sakes.
And the other problem is my other excerpt, from an LF2 story is describing a fight and much more analytical rather than descriptive or something. At least that's what I think the tool is trying to do, plus it has lots of guys, so yeah.
It's not magic, nor is it impressive either. :P
And to drive the point further, I'm talking to Akira about periods, lol. Whether or not PMS exists. On the other hand, my guy friends in Vent are discussing stuff about SC2...
Emotional to logical. The differences in the male and female brain have often been studied and is also well-known enough. Obviously I doubt it'd be as specific as a game and something horrible females have to suffer. >__>
To drive my point beyond that line, I am within two rather drastically different fandoms, Negima once again, and Hetalia. One has mostly male audiences while the other, female. When I check out Negima forums they mostly discuss spoilers, what could possibly happen next, etc. Share doujinshi, lol. Something very straight-forward and logical.
In the Hetalia-side though, I pretty much only go to a meme, and it's left quite open with lots of crack, everything goes...kind of hard to explain, but the atmosphere feels much more friendly, less robotical, emotional. Also, share doujinshi. Lol.
In a way I don't really feel like I especially belong in either, only having posted barely in both. One side seems too bashful, logical, straight-foward. I always wish the Negima fandom was a bit more random. Pairings besides the SomeonexNegi and KonoSetsu are rarely discussed. I suppose it's also because Negima is like this big epic plot while Hetalia is just a mash of random silly gag comics.
With countries. So fangirls can do whatever the hell they want to the countries, anything. Ever. The crack, the hilarity. I fall off my chair. Though sometimes I wish they could be serious for a change. The problem is the characters themselves. Personifications of nations is a very touchy subject, so quite a bit of history (especially on the Asian side, the side I very much like) tends to be off-limits unless done particularly well.
Ah, I wish there was something that combined both. Negima actually does quite well in that aspect because the original material itself is quite amusing with top-notch quality, a huge stash of genres, but the fans are kind of lacking. On the other hand, the source material for Hetalia is subpar at best, while the art style is nice the comics are crude and rushed, but the fans make up for it with their insane talents in art, fanfiction, and beyond. (The MADS! Holy shit the MADS!)
That comes to my conclusion, would I choose Kazumi with personality over 5,000 pieces of fanwork on her?
Would I choose Hong Kong with over 5,000 pieces of fanwork on him over HK with personality?
You can't have everything. :\ Frankly I wouldn't care for some random redhead who had tons of art on her. And the same with Hong Kong with personality, no personality in canon but it's the fanwork that created his personality. It works because he's a country, so you already have real-life aspects to apply. Kazumi does not have that advantage, so an actual personality is key.
Also, it seems the most popular pieces of media floating in Japan is Hetalia and Touhou. Touhou, as far as I know, is a bullet-hell game with a fantasy kitchen sink full of characters. The characters do remind me of Negima characters, and I'm not sure if there's any story or characterization beyond their initial personalities and looks. The fighting games have story modes and surely the bullet-hell games has some sort of plot too, but my initial assumption is that a lot of personality is made up through memes and basically, fandom. So in the end, I suppose letting the audience do the thinking and imagination for you is what makes the source material so popular.
Well, that and awesome music. At least for Touhou. I'm not sure what Hetalia has going besides its ingenious concept with countries, which shouldn't really be new at all but when you design them the possibilities are endless.
Besides that, I was thinking earlier of the nature of Negima. TVTropes says it's heading for the Darker and Edgier approach, what with lots of characters dying off. Except they weren't REALLY dying, but being "erased" and anything you put in a computer, er, a magical world, can always be recovered (unless it's Aoi-dono's, how unfortunate D:) so yeah, they're sure heading the cheap way out. Luckily getting there will not be easy at all, so maybe it won't feel as cheap in the end.
But besides that, I wondered how many ACTUAL dead people existed in the Negima canon. Stoned petrified people also do not count since one of Negi's goals is to one day un-petrify them, so they're not dead, just in frozen animation. In the end you can count the amount of the dead in one hand!
The most obvious has to be Yuuna's mother, if only because it was mentioned just recently. It's even an important death too, since she was killed in an incident related to all things bad happening to Negi right now!
Of course what is perhaps an even more important death is that of Gatou, Takamichi's master and a member of Ala Rubra. A member of that big super-powerful and invinicble team of heroes dying off is quite significant. But Gatou seemed old and wise, like that old master who dies off so the new generation can come in. He seems kind of like that, that he didn't really die young like many of the other examples here. His death at the very least is important to Asuna, who is the main female lead. So that's significant.
Another one mentioned was Yue's grandfather, but you know, grandparents are the last generation hanging around, grandparents passing on is something younger folks have definitely experienced by now. So it's not significant besides affecting Yue's character somewhat.
A young death would be Mana's boyfriend, or Magister, whoever he was. It's simply a mystery, but it could explain Mana's cold to-the-point demeanour, as well as her other probably not-very-optimistic travels as a mercenary. Again unless something major happens not really affecting the current plot, just a character.
Yet another Ala Rubra passed on in the surprising form of a little kid named Zecht, except he's like 2600 years old, so it's another case of that old master passing on thing. The problem is in his panel of death, he faded away like sand or similarly like that. I'm not quite sure if it's because he's some non-human and that's how he dies, or if he counts as one of those illusion citizens of the Magical World, so he can actually be brought back. Who knows?
Finally, and I'm not sure if this counts, but I'll keep it here for half-points and rrefrain from ranting about whether or not unborn babies count as humans, but Ayaka's unborn little brother who was lost in a miscarriage technically does count as a death, maybe, and it affects her character. Again not so much to the plot like a few of the other deaths.
That is about all I can really think of. If we don't count old people and unborn people, we have the only young deaths to be that of Yuuna's mom and Mana's boyfriend. Hey, guess what else Yuuna and Mana have in common!
The art of firearms!
I would think that a weapon of this mature standpoint (since guns tend to be seen in a more negative light than say, noble swords of a samurai or knight, or the fist of an honourable martial artist) makes sense for characters who seem to have that "Darker and Edgier" backstory. Yuuna's not too affected though considering how many people really remember anything when they were five-years-old, but hey, close enough!
Well first, let's clarify. I'm a girl.
It only makes sense then, if this tool indeed works, that it will analyze my writing and deem me female, like so:
A paragraph from Red, Negima story...
Of course, compare to my other fanfiction...
Yeah, so. Not exactly the most accurate thing in the world.
I think the problem is it identifies the pronoun "she" as something girls use much more often, which kind of makes sense I guess. Negima is a female-dominated franchise, or pink shoujo ghetto for terms' sakes.
And the other problem is my other excerpt, from an LF2 story is describing a fight and much more analytical rather than descriptive or something. At least that's what I think the tool is trying to do, plus it has lots of guys, so yeah.
It's not magic, nor is it impressive either. :P
And to drive the point further, I'm talking to Akira about periods, lol. Whether or not PMS exists. On the other hand, my guy friends in Vent are discussing stuff about SC2...
Emotional to logical. The differences in the male and female brain have often been studied and is also well-known enough. Obviously I doubt it'd be as specific as a game and something horrible females have to suffer. >__>
To drive my point beyond that line, I am within two rather drastically different fandoms, Negima once again, and Hetalia. One has mostly male audiences while the other, female. When I check out Negima forums they mostly discuss spoilers, what could possibly happen next, etc. Share doujinshi, lol. Something very straight-forward and logical.
In the Hetalia-side though, I pretty much only go to a meme, and it's left quite open with lots of crack, everything goes...kind of hard to explain, but the atmosphere feels much more friendly, less robotical, emotional. Also, share doujinshi. Lol.
In a way I don't really feel like I especially belong in either, only having posted barely in both. One side seems too bashful, logical, straight-foward. I always wish the Negima fandom was a bit more random. Pairings besides the SomeonexNegi and KonoSetsu are rarely discussed. I suppose it's also because Negima is like this big epic plot while Hetalia is just a mash of random silly gag comics.
With countries. So fangirls can do whatever the hell they want to the countries, anything. Ever. The crack, the hilarity. I fall off my chair. Though sometimes I wish they could be serious for a change. The problem is the characters themselves. Personifications of nations is a very touchy subject, so quite a bit of history (especially on the Asian side, the side I very much like) tends to be off-limits unless done particularly well.
Ah, I wish there was something that combined both. Negima actually does quite well in that aspect because the original material itself is quite amusing with top-notch quality, a huge stash of genres, but the fans are kind of lacking. On the other hand, the source material for Hetalia is subpar at best, while the art style is nice the comics are crude and rushed, but the fans make up for it with their insane talents in art, fanfiction, and beyond. (The MADS! Holy shit the MADS!)
That comes to my conclusion, would I choose Kazumi with personality over 5,000 pieces of fanwork on her?
Would I choose Hong Kong with over 5,000 pieces of fanwork on him over HK with personality?
You can't have everything. :\ Frankly I wouldn't care for some random redhead who had tons of art on her. And the same with Hong Kong with personality, no personality in canon but it's the fanwork that created his personality. It works because he's a country, so you already have real-life aspects to apply. Kazumi does not have that advantage, so an actual personality is key.
Also, it seems the most popular pieces of media floating in Japan is Hetalia and Touhou. Touhou, as far as I know, is a bullet-hell game with a fantasy kitchen sink full of characters. The characters do remind me of Negima characters, and I'm not sure if there's any story or characterization beyond their initial personalities and looks. The fighting games have story modes and surely the bullet-hell games has some sort of plot too, but my initial assumption is that a lot of personality is made up through memes and basically, fandom. So in the end, I suppose letting the audience do the thinking and imagination for you is what makes the source material so popular.
Well, that and awesome music. At least for Touhou. I'm not sure what Hetalia has going besides its ingenious concept with countries, which shouldn't really be new at all but when you design them the possibilities are endless.
Besides that, I was thinking earlier of the nature of Negima. TVTropes says it's heading for the Darker and Edgier approach, what with lots of characters dying off. Except they weren't REALLY dying, but being "erased" and anything you put in a computer, er, a magical world, can always be recovered (unless it's Aoi-dono's, how unfortunate D:) so yeah, they're sure heading the cheap way out. Luckily getting there will not be easy at all, so maybe it won't feel as cheap in the end.
But besides that, I wondered how many ACTUAL dead people existed in the Negima canon. Stoned petrified people also do not count since one of Negi's goals is to one day un-petrify them, so they're not dead, just in frozen animation. In the end you can count the amount of the dead in one hand!
The most obvious has to be Yuuna's mother, if only because it was mentioned just recently. It's even an important death too, since she was killed in an incident related to all things bad happening to Negi right now!
Of course what is perhaps an even more important death is that of Gatou, Takamichi's master and a member of Ala Rubra. A member of that big super-powerful and invinicble team of heroes dying off is quite significant. But Gatou seemed old and wise, like that old master who dies off so the new generation can come in. He seems kind of like that, that he didn't really die young like many of the other examples here. His death at the very least is important to Asuna, who is the main female lead. So that's significant.
Another one mentioned was Yue's grandfather, but you know, grandparents are the last generation hanging around, grandparents passing on is something younger folks have definitely experienced by now. So it's not significant besides affecting Yue's character somewhat.
A young death would be Mana's boyfriend, or Magister, whoever he was. It's simply a mystery, but it could explain Mana's cold to-the-point demeanour, as well as her other probably not-very-optimistic travels as a mercenary. Again unless something major happens not really affecting the current plot, just a character.
Yet another Ala Rubra passed on in the surprising form of a little kid named Zecht, except he's like 2600 years old, so it's another case of that old master passing on thing. The problem is in his panel of death, he faded away like sand or similarly like that. I'm not quite sure if it's because he's some non-human and that's how he dies, or if he counts as one of those illusion citizens of the Magical World, so he can actually be brought back. Who knows?
Finally, and I'm not sure if this counts, but I'll keep it here for half-points and rrefrain from ranting about whether or not unborn babies count as humans, but Ayaka's unborn little brother who was lost in a miscarriage technically does count as a death, maybe, and it affects her character. Again not so much to the plot like a few of the other deaths.
That is about all I can really think of. If we don't count old people and unborn people, we have the only young deaths to be that of Yuuna's mom and Mana's boyfriend. Hey, guess what else Yuuna and Mana have in common!
The art of firearms!
I would think that a weapon of this mature standpoint (since guns tend to be seen in a more negative light than say, noble swords of a samurai or knight, or the fist of an honourable martial artist) makes sense for characters who seem to have that "Darker and Edgier" backstory. Yuuna's not too affected though considering how many people really remember anything when they were five-years-old, but hey, close enough!
Mana grew cold from all the stuff she's seen, we don't know what's happening with Asuna once she retrieved her memories, and I like happy stupid Yuuna. Unless she actually gets some angst in canon I think all that stuff can stay in fanfiction and the like :)
Seriously, how would Madoka Kimura sound crying--oh wait. Lol.
Well, that's all from Spotto for today! I am really tired.
EDIT: I forgot to mention Sayo. I'm stupid. But she doesn't count because she's like, there. Spirtually. I mean dead people who are really dead who can no longer interact with living people and cannot possibly be revived whatsoever!
